By the time you've killed the logi there are still 3 ASB vargurs/sleipnirs left alive and your dps ships will die in that time and you will not have enough dps to kill them any more. Match over.

Did you mean those 3 proteus's that were rotating turns being jammed?


Lets do some simple math shall we?

Lets say a single XL ASB reps about 400 per cycle right?

Lets say each proteus does 500 damage, thats low, I'm way undershooting the Damage value of the proteus but basically the 3 of them added up to nearly 1500 dps or more.


Do you see how a single ASB wouldn't matter at all to those proteus's?


I think you're confusing what you're seeing with whats actually happening and you just dont understand the mod.

In testing, a single rep vindi has consistently beaten a dual ASB maelstrom.

What, well if you're going to make up mods out of thin air to prove your point i want an XL armor rep.



I mean, a straight up LARGE armor rep, can beat TWO XL reps on a mael.


But sure, feel free to create mods out of thin air to validate your argument.

Yes, because we're dealing with tanking, you know, the point of this argument and not any of what you listed, the DPS difference isn't important since both ships potentially out DPS the tanks of the other.


Only the vindi can do what the Mael does with a single rep, even though the Mael uses two, AND gets tanking bonuses.


The rest of the stats you listed mean nothing when dealing with the argument at hand which is about the strength of ASBs.

I really don't understand why CCP thought adding more tank to the game was a good idea. People keep talking about how it's a buff to solo/small gang (<5) PvP, which is not the case at all. It limits solo PvP/small gang PvP horribly. If you try to PvP in non-ASB setups, do you know what your targets are? Other non-ASB ships. It's not quite so pronounced in ATX because of the single ASB, but on TQ where double ASB is the current FoTM you cannot engage an ASB setup with a non-ASB setup.

Hell, a double ASB Myrm with a 3 slot tank tanks twice as much as a triple rep Myrm with a six slot tank and the Myrm gets a bonus to armor tanking. Anybody who thinks this is adding options to the game is a goddamn retard.

Now, with ASBs, you have a burst tank that actually has utility, and one that is unsustainable for long periods. Once you run out of cap charges, or once you use up the ones you have fitted in the case of a single ASB with sufficient incoming DPS, you're screwed. I don't know if you've noticed the cap usage on a dry ASB - it's massive, more than twice the activation cost of a T2 SB equivalent, it's barely useable once you've run out of cap charges - at which point it is just dead weight.

Hey gies ASB Vargur setups are unkillable just watch the fina-oh.